Gossip
Q1. Has anyone here ever been a victim of gossip?/ What did it feel like?
Q2. What is gossip?
- A1. North American law only forbids slander:
- There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. First, the person must prove that the statement was false. Second, that person must prove that the statement caused harm. And, third, they must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. In the case of a celebrity or public official trying to prove libel, they must prove the first three steps and they must also prove that the statement was made with the intent to do harm.[17] (Wikipedia)
- Defences to claims of defamation include:
- Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were true
- Opinion is a defence recognized in nearly every jurisdiction. .
- Consent is an uncommon defence and makes the claim that the claimant consented to the dissemination of the statement.
- Innocent dissemination is a defence available when a defendant had no actual knowledge of the defamatory statement or no reason to believe the statement was defamatory.
- Claimant is incapable of further defamation–e.g., the claimant’s position in the community is so poor that defamation could not do further damage to the plaintiff.
- Statute of limitations. Most jurisdictions require that a lawsuit be brought within a limited period of time. If the alleged libel occurs in a mass media publication such as a newspaper or the Internet, the statute of limitations begins to run at the time of publication, not when the plaintiff first learns of the communication.
-Can people still be hurt?
Q3. Is gossip bad, not good, terrible?
Q4. What are the consequences?
A Chasidic tale illustrates the point: A man went about the community telling malicious lies about his Rabbi. Later, he realized the wrong he had done, and began to feel remorse. He went to the Rabbi and begged his forgiveness, saying he would do anything he could to make amends. The Rabbi told the man, “Take a feather pillow, cut it open, and scatter the feathers to the winds.” The man thought this was a strange request, but it was a simple enough task, and he did it gladly. When he returned to tell the Rabbi that he had done it, the Rabbi said, “Now, go and gather the feathers. Because you can no more make amends for the damage your words have done than you can recollect the feathers.” Evil speaking of another has been compared to an arrow that once released cannot be stopped or recalled. Likewise, the words spoken once released cannot be stopped from harming their intended target . . . the character and soul of another. The person who listens to gossip is sometimes viewed even worse than the person who tells the story, because no harm could be done by gossip if no one listened to it. It has been said that lashon hara (an evil tongue and speech) kills three people: the person who speaks it, the person who hears it, and the person about whom it is told.
Q5. How do we stop ourselves from gossiping?
- Put ourselves in the other’s shoes
- Judge favourably:
We think we know, it seems clear, and yet sometimes…
Tova Rothman needed a baby sitter. She had been calling girls all evening, but everyone was either busy or not home, and it was getting too late to make any more calls. By now she was desperate. One of her daughters said eagerly, “Hey, Ma! What about my friend’s sister, Dassy Engel?”
“That’s worth a try. We haven’t used her in a long time. Do we still have her number?
A minute later she was dialing the Engels.
“Oh, Dassy, I’m so glad you’re home. I hope you can do me this favor. I need a baby sitter for two o’clock tomorrow afternoon. It’s very important and I must leave at exactly two o’clock. Are you available?” Tova was thrilled when Dassy agreed and she hung up with a sigh of relief.
The next day at two o’clock Tova was standing with her coat on, ready to walk out as soon as Dassy arrived. The minutes ticked away and no bell was ringing. No one was knocking or calling to say she’d be right over. It was 2:05 and still no Dassy. Tova called the Engels, but their line was busy.
Dassy seemed like such a nice girl. How could she be so irresponsible? Tova let her family know how she felt about a girl who gives her word and then lets you down. She gave them an earful! — and they were only spared the rest by the ringing of the telephone. Tova dashed over. It was her husband. Whatever she hadn’t managed to say till now to Dassy’s discredit she let out on Mr. Rothman. And for good measure she threw in a few choice observations about the Engels. Tova might have said more, but she cut herself short so she could try the Engel’s phone again. This time it rang.
Imagine Tova’s astonishment when Mrs. Engel answered and in reply to her question, “Is Dassy home?” said, “Oh, are you the one who called her about baby sitting? You hung up and I guess you didn’t realize that you never gave her your name!”
Story #2: It was late Tuesday night when the phone rang. A good friend of mine by the name of J.P. was calling. “Perhaps you can help me,” he said. “I’m making a wedding soon, and I’d like you to recommend a good photographer.”
After giving it some thought, I gave him the name of a man who is both an excellent photographer and is also very reasonably priced. “I’ve heard about him,” came my friend’s reply, “but I was also told that he was unreliable.”
“Oh, really,” I said, quite surprised. “What makes you say so?”
“Well, I’m told that he was recently hired for a bar mitzvah and he first arrived after it was half over. He missed half the affair. There’s no way I’d hire a person who is so irresponsible,” J.P. said. (J.P. is not required to hire this photographer even though this decision is based on an unproven suspicion. However, he was wrong in accepting this rumor as absolute truth.)
It’s certainly a severe charge, I thought to myself. “Are you sure about it?” I asked. “That’s a very strong accusation!”
“I’m quite positive,” was his reply. “Yisroel was the head of the band that night, and he told it to me himself. In fact, I met someone else who attended that same affair, and he verified the facts. I’m not making it up. It’s 100% true! Go check it out yourself.”
“I sure will,” I said. I’ve learned to be very skeptical as to the authenticity of any story, and I also knew that even if perfectly true, there might be a good explanation.
“Maybe due to unforeseen circumstances he was delayed?” I said to the caller, trying my best to judge favorably. “Perhaps there was some sort of emergency. What makes you so sure that it was a case of negligence or pure laziness?”
“Perhaps you’re right,” replied J.P., “but I just can’t risk it. Besides, there is no reason in the world for coming late. He should have started out early enough so that even if his car broke down he could have taken a car service and made it on time. There is absolutely no good excuse for a photographer to walk in after half the affair is over!”
It was hard to argue with him. He had a strong point, and my defense wasn’t too convincing. When I hung up the phone I found myself in a real quandary. Could I really recommend someone who is unreliable? Was it truly negligence on his part? Was my argument in his defense just a cover-up for his lack of responsibility? Truthfully, I wasn’t really convinced myself of his innocence, so how could I convince someone else?
Firstly, I decided to check out the story on my own to see if it was really true. I called the musician, who was a close friend of mine, and he verified the entire story. There was no question as to its authenticity.
The very next day, I bumped into my good friend, the photographer. I brought up the subject of the bar mitzvah in question.
“Is it true that you arrived halfway through the bar mitzvah?” I asked.
“Yes, it certainly is,” he said. “But why are you asking?”
“I just recommended you for a job, and the people refused to take you. They claimed you were unreliable because you didn’t come on time.”
He looked at me in disbelief and shock, and then began telling me his story. I listened very carefully.
“The job was not mine at all,” he began. “The photographer who had been hired for the job failed to show up. I received an emergency call in the middle of the affair to come down immediately. Despite being very busy at that moment, I dropped everything I was doing and raced down to the hall as quickly as possible.”
With a hurt look written on his face, he added, “I only did it as a personal favor to them.”
According to Jewish law:
Lashon Hara: saying something true that can financially, physically or emotionally harm the one you are speaking about.
Motzi Shem Ra- The above, but untrue.
Rechilus: saying something true that will cause hatred between 2 people. (even if not negative…ex: had 2 parties to go to..)
Q: What happens if someone asks ‘What did so and so say about me?” (FYI – you can’t ask that)
A: If you have an answer that is lie and you will get away with it, do it (Even if it’s a flat out lie)
-applies to opinions
-applies to character traits
-applies even if the victim doesn’t think it’s bad (ex. foul language-but could cost him a job/people look down at him)
-even if someone pressures you to tell
- The listeners look down upon the teller-can’t trust him-even though they pay rapt attention to the juicy gossip!
- If you don’t gossip-people will trust you and will tell you things you really need to know
- Judging people favourably
Concept: To’eles: If your info, even if negative, is needed to help/protect someone (even the “victim” themselves)
7 conditions to say:
1) Must see it yourself (or say that you didn’t)
2) Think hard-did they really do something wrong?
3) Rebuke them yourself first
4) No other way to bring about benefit
5) Can’t exaggerate
6) Positive intent
7) No more punishment than deserves
Even so- you still can’t believe it. How is that possible?
A: This is what you should think
1) It is a known fact that everyone interprets things differently
2) The person telling you was mistaken
3) The person telling you was not precise
AVAK LH – THE DUST OF LH
Ex1-”Who would’ve though she’d turn out the way she did.”
Ex2-”I can’t say, it’s LH”
Ex3-To say something good about a person in front of someone who doesn’t like them and will respond with LH or something negative about the person.
Ex3 a- If someone publicly HEAPS praise on someone, you’re bound to have someone who disagrees and you may cause them to speak LH
Ex3 b- If your praises imply something negative
Ex4- You can’t praise someone if they will experience a loss
Ex5-Saying something that make other people think you are speaking LH
* The other side of the story.